By Leonard Doyle in Washington 07/12/07 "The Independent" -- -- It is an axiom of American political life that the actions of the US military are beyond criticism. Democrats and Republicans praise the men and women in uniform at every turn. Apart from the odd bad apple at Abu Ghraib, the US military in Iraq is deemed to be doing a heroic job under trying circumstances. That perception will take a severe knock today with the publication in The Nation magazine of a series of in-depth interviews with 50 combat veterans of the Iraq war from across the US. In the interviews, veterans have described acts of violence in which US forces have abused or killed Iraqi men, women and children with impunity. The report steers clear of widely reported atrocities, such as the massacre in Haditha in 2005, but instead unearths a pattern of human rights abuses. "It's not individual atrocity," Specialist Garett Reppenhagen, a sniper from the 263rd Armour Battalion, said. "It's the fact that the entire war is an atrocity." A number of the troops have returned home bearing mental and physical scars from fighting a war in an environment in which the insurgents are supported by the population. Many of those interviewed have come to oppose the US military presence in Iraq, joining the groundswell of public opinion across the US that views the war as futile. This view is echoed in Washington, where increasing numbers of Democrats and Republicans are openly calling for an early withdrawal from Iraq. And the Iraq quagmire has pushed President George Bush's poll ratings to an all-time low. Journalists and human rights groups have published numerous reports drawing attention to the killing of Iraqi civilians by US forces. The Nation's investigation presents for the first time named military witnesses who back those assertions. Some participated themselves. Through a combination of gung-ho recklessness and criminal behaviour born of panic, a narrative emerges of an army that frequently commits acts of cold-blooded violence. A number of interviewees revealed that the military will attempt to frame innocent bystanders as insurgents, often after panicked American troops have fired into groups of unarmed Iraqis. The veterans said the troops involved would round up any survivors and accuse them of being in the resistance while planting Kalashnikov AK47 rifles beside corpses to make it appear that they had died in combat. "It would always be an AK because they have so many of these lying around," said Joe Hatcher, 26, a scout with the 4th Calvary Regiment. He revealed the army also planted 9mm handguns and shovels to make it look like the civilians were shot while digging a hole for a roadside bomb. "Every good cop carries a throwaway," Hatcher said of weapons planted on innocent victims in incidents that occurred while he was stationed between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. Any survivors were sent to jail for interrogation. There were also deaths caused by the reckless behaviour of military convoys. Sgt Kelly Dougherty of the Colorado National Guard described a hit-and-run in which a military convoy ran over a 10-year-old boy and his three donkeys, killing them all. "Judging by the skid marks, they hardly even slowed down. But, I mean... your order is that you never stop." The worst abuses seem to have been during raids on private homes when soldiers were hunting insurgents. Thousands of such raids have taken place, usually at dead of night. The veterans point out that most are futile and serve only to terrify the civilians, while generating sympathy for the resistance. Sgt John Bruhns, 29, of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Armoured Division, described a typical raid. "You want to catch them off guard," he explained. "You want to catch them in their sleep ... You grab the man of the house. You rip him out of bed in front of his wife. You put him up against the wall... Then you go into a room and you tear the room to shreds. You'll ask 'Do you have any weapons? Do you have any anti-US propaganda?' "Normally they'll say no, because that's normally the truth," Sgt Bruhns said. "So you'll take his sofa cushions and dump them. You'll open up his closet and you'll throw all the clothes on the floor and basically leave his house looking like a hurricane just hit it." And at the end, if the soldiers don't find anything, they depart with a "Sorry to disturb you. Have a nice evening". Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. "The mentality of my squad leader was like, 'Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don't have to kill them back in Colorado'," she said. "He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist." 'It would always happen. We always got the wrong house...' "People would make jokes about it, even before we'd go into a raid, like, 'Oh fuck, we're gonna get the wrong house'. Cause it would always happen. We always got the wrong house." Sergeant Jesus Bocanegra, 25, of Weslaco, Texas 4th Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour that began in March 2003 "I had to go tell this woman that her husband was actually dead. We gave her money, we gave her, like, 10 crates of water, we gave the kids, I remember, maybe it was soccer balls and toys. We just didn't really know what else to do." Lieutenant Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia, Marine Corps civil affairs unit. In Ramadi from August 2004 to March 2005 "We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words." Specialist Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, 3rd Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. In Kirkuk and Hawija on 11-month tour beginning November 2004 "I'll tell you the point where I really turned... [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me... like asking me why. You know, 'Why do I have a bullet in my leg?'... I was just like, 'This is, this is it. This is ridiculous'." Specialist Michael Harmon, 24, of Brooklyn, 167th Armour Regiment, 4th Infantry Division. In Al-Rashidiya on 13-month tour beginning in April 2003 "I open a bag and I'm trying to get bandages out and the guys in the guard tower are yelling at me, 'Get that fuck haji out of here,'... our doctor rolls up in an ambulance and from 30 to 40 meters away looks out and says, shakes his head and says, 'You know, he looks fine, he's gonna be all right,' and walks back... kind of like, 'Get your ass over here and drive me back up to the clinic'. So I'm standing there, and the whole time both this doctor and the guards are yelling at me, you know, to get rid of this guy." Specialist Patrick Resta, 29, from Philadelphia, 252nd Armour, 1st Infantry Division. In Jalula for nine months beginning March 2004 'Every person opened fire on this kid, using the biggest weapons we could find...' "Here's some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he's going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you've ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds..." Sergeant Patrick Campbell, 29, of Camarillo, California, 256th Infantry Brigade. In Abu Gharth for 11 months beginning November 2004 "Cover your own butt was the first rule of engagement. Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat." Lieutenant Brady Van Engelen, 26, of Washington DC, 1st Armoured Division. Eight-month tour of Baghdad beginning Sept 2003 "I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'... [Only when we got home] in... meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then." Specialist Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado, 3rd Brigade, 1st Infantry. In Baquba for a year beginning February 2004 "[The photo] was very graphic... They open the body bags of these prisoners that were shot in the head and [one soldier has] got a spoon. He's reaching in to scoop out some of his brain, looking at the camera and smiling." Specialist Aidan Delgado, 25, of Sarasota, Florida, 320th Military Police Company. Deployed to Talil air base for one year beginning April 2003 "The car was approaching what was in my opinion a very poorly marked checkpoint... and probably didn't even see the soldiers... The guys got spooked and decided it was a possible threat, so they shot up the car. And they [the bodies] literally sat in the car for the next three days while we drove by them. Sergeant Dustin Flatt, 33, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. One-year from February 2004 "The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population..." Sergeant Camilo Mejía, 31, from Miami, National Guardsman, 1-124 Infantry Battalion, 53rd Infantry Brigade. Six-month tour beginning April 2003 "I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'." Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004 "A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want." Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004 "I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned." Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004 The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness, by Chris Hedges and Laila al-Arian, appears in the 30 July issue of The Nation © 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
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'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'
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'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'
Imagine if a Palestinian,Lebanese,Iraqi etc etc said this towards the Americans,British etc.
This person would be hounded,interrogated,imprisoned and labelled a low life terrorist,but when it comes from the "top brass" in the American war -machine.it is somewhow acceptable!!!!!
anonymous | 07.12.07 - 4:08 pm | #
Man this article pisses me off so bad If I were some kind of religous leader I would call for an open hunting season on US service members anywhere in the world. One might say, Ah but this article might be propaganda. But I have lived among USans enough to know their psycology to know that these reports are true.
What do the police say, you can know a criminal by his MO. On another thread there was all this talk of how much responsibilty each individual soldier bears. Well it is not for us to pass judgement in any sort of a cosmic sense but when a band of criminals is in the act of engaging in mass murder people have a right to defend 3rd parties when there is an imminent threat. How much more imminent can this threat be?! Now I do not normally support vigilantism but since the worlds governments are taking no action what so ever in putting a stop to this madness, vigilantism at this point seems justifiable to me.
BuddhalovesPaine | 07.12.07 - 4:09 pm | #
Mass killing.
Radioactive and chemically toxic uranium ordnance.
A Massive Pattern of Deceit.
Justice means, as ye sow so shall ye reap.
Oh what awaits the US.
BigPearl | 07.12.07 - 4:30 pm | #
During a solidarity march in Haifa yesterday,Aviva shalit,apparently gave an emotional speech infront of thounsands:This is part of her speech.The full speech can be read in Haaretz newspaper.
Gilad Shalit's mother, Aviva, surprised the crowd with a moving speech in which she criticized the government's conduct in handling the issue of the abducted soldiers.
"Giladi, we shall not be silent and won't let another year go by without you. I promise you we will move mountains, continue to demand action, not sympathy, results, not talk," she said.
"Recently there has been talk of the price we must pay to release you, and every mother here knows that there is no price for a child that we carried in our womb, gave birth to and raised with the sweat of our brow. We can argue and discuss the price of a house, a car or company shares, but there is no price for the lives of our children, Aviva Shalit said.
Well,let me tell Mrs Shalit that Iraqi mothers,Palestinian mothers,Lebanese mothers ALL feel the same way about their own children.
I get the impression from this demonstration and speech that the lives of israeli,American,British children is more precious and the tears of israeli mothers is worth more than the tears of Arab mothers.
sue | 07.12.07 - 4:35 pm | #
Gravatar Vietnam had gone on for about 5 years before the public started to blame the soldiers in the field.
Will it be different this time?
I don't know .
When the country grows so sick of war that everything close to it becomes a target of our collective rage, then the troops are naturally included too.
Many of us have tried not to blame the guys in uniform this time around, but soon that will change. Soon we will want to distance ourselves as much as possible from the vile, criminal behavior of those who are murdering innocent people in our name.
Will they be despised when they come back like Vietnam vets?
I guess that on depends how many more articles like this appear in the media.
The country is already overwhelmed by with feelings of disgust and shame. Those will only grow as the war drags on.
megsdad | 07.12.07 - 4:38 pm | #
Gravatar Henry Hill: "For us to live any other way was nuts. Uh, to us, those goody-good people who worked shitty jobs for bum paychecks and took the subway to work every day, and worried about their bills, were dead. I mean they were suckers. They had no balls. If we wanted something we just took it. If anyone complained twice they got hit so bad, believe me, they never complained again It was all routine, you didn't even think about it."
The United States Of America's foreign policy.
Anonymous | 07.12.07 - 4:49 pm | #
Gravatar Henry Hill: "For most of the guys, killings got to be accepted. Murder was the only way that everybody stayed in line. You got out of line, you got whacked. Everybody knew the rules. But sometimes, even if people didn't get out of line, they got whacked. I mean, hits just became a habit for some of the guys. Guys would get into arguments over nothing and before you knew it, one of them was dead. And they were shooting each other all the time. Shooting people was a normal thing. It was no big deal."
Anonymous | 07.12.07 - 4:54 pm | #
Gravatar This is unacceptable.
This attitude is horrible, repugant and ugly.
War does strange things to individuals and that is why those who have been to war are so reticent to go again.
In this case, Bush and Cheney were so eager for war was revolting as they had never served their country during the Vietnam War.
The double standards and hypocrisy are truly sickening.
Derek | 07.12.07 - 5:39 pm | #
Gravatar "...increasing numbers of Democrats and Republicans are openly calling for an early withdrawal from Iraq."
Early withdrawl?
"We always got the wrong house."
Because you are in the wrong Country.
"And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it [the dog]".
. . .
"And so when it's all said and done, Ed, when you ever come down and visit the old -- old, tired me down there in Crawford, I will be able to I say I looked in the mirra and made decisions based upon principle, not based upon politics. And that's important to me." - You know who
V | Homepage | 07.12.07 - 6:25 pm | #
Gravatar W H A T H A V E B E C O M E ?
What happened to the USA?
Has the devil taken it over in Bush's
name?
Rove/Cheney/Bushboy/Runsfeld/ the Republican Party/and the Democrat party for not haveing enough guts to DEMAND an end to Bush madness and demand it every morning/noon and night...That is what the 2006 elections were all about...
Wake Up before it is too late if it is not allready too late.
Dan Ciaramella New Jersey | 07.12.07 - 8:21 pm | #
Gravatar Terrorist training camps teach young men to behave this way. Those who respect military volunteers, it appears, vicariously enjoyed the notion of killing, maiming, torturing, and overall causing horrendous destruction and suffering.
Steve | 07.12.07 - 8:22 pm | #
Gravatar I'd like to be able to be patient and kind and say that those soldiers were yet another set of victims. But kindness and patience are not just in such a case and neither are the soldiers. The initial blame is justifiably put on their commanders and superiors, but they should bare the brunt of it too. The excuses that they make (e.g. cultural differences, shit happens in war, hostile environment, bla bla bla...) are inexcusable. When you shoot a child and have an excuse for it, that is when you relinquish your right to be human.
F.F. | 07.12.07 - 8:28 pm | #
Gravatar A wise man once answered my question about what happens to the souls of those who deliberately do evil. "Souls?" he said. "They do it to their own souls. Every evil deed eats part of their soul. That part is gone, forever. In many cases, long before the body is dead, the soul is consumed by its one-time owner. There is nothing to go on to the next life. That being has ceased to exist...forever."
Jean Goldstrom | Homepage | 07.12.07 - 9:03 pm | #
Gravatar Let's keep this simple and to the point:
IF YOU SHAVED GEORGE W. BUSH'S HEAD
AND DIDN'T FIND
666,
YOU WOULD
AT LEAST
FIND
665 and 3/4s
JOSEPHBLOE | 07.12.07 - 9:11 pm | #
Gravatar George Bush blames Iran,Syria for mess in Iraq.Maybe I should send him all these articles and prove to him that the mess is his doing and his bloody democracy!!!!!!!
Compiled by Daily Star,Lebanon
Friday, July 13, 2007
US President George W. Bush on Thursday accused Iran, Syria and Hizbullah of playing a nefarious role in the carnage gripping Iraq and warned that an early US withdrawal would only "frighten Arab allies." For this reason, Bush said Thursday he was sending US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the Middle East next month to consult Arab allies on the conflict.
Bush spoke after an interim White House report found the Iraqi government had made only mixed progress in meeting political goals. It said conditions were still dangerous and challenging, six months after Bush ordered a US troop buildup.
"The fight in Iraq is part of a broader struggle that's unfolding across the region," Bush said.
"The same region in Iran - the same regime in Iran that is pursuing nuclear weapons and threatening to wipe Israel off the map is also providing sophisticated IEDs [improvised-explosive device] to extremists in Iraq who are using them to kill American soldiers.
"The same Hizbullah terrorists who are waging war against the forces of democracy in Lebanon are training extremists to do the same against coalition forces in Iraq.
"The same Syrian regime that provides support and sanctuary for Islamic jihad and Hamas has refused to close its airport in Damascus to suicide bombers headed to Iraq," Bush said.
"All these extremist groups would be emboldened by a precipitous American withdrawal, which would confuse and frighten friends and allies in the region," he said, adding that Arab nations have "a stake in a stable Iraq."
He said that the "war against extremists and radicals is not only evident in Iraq, but it's evident in Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories and Afghanistan."
Bush told a White House news conference that the visits by Rice and Gates would reaffirm US support for democratic reform in the region.
"We're also using the tools of diplomacy to strengthen regional and international support for Iraq's democratic government, so I'm sending Secretary Gates and Secretary Rice to the region in early August," Bush said.
Rice had been due to undertake a mission to Israel and the Palestinian Territories next week, but that has now been postponed to the end of July, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday.
"I firmly believe that you'll see the democracy movement continue to advance throughout the Middle East if the United States doesn't become isolationist," he said.
"Condi Rice and Bob Gates will ... remind our friends and allies that one, we view them as strategic partners, and secondly that we want them to work toward freer societies and to help this Iraqi government survive.
"It's in their interests that Iraq becomes a stable partner. And I believe we can achieve that objective."
Echoing Bush's accusations against Iran and Syria, the interim report said accused Damascus of fostering a network that supplies. It also said Tehran continues to fund extremist groups.
"Our assessment is that nearly 80 percent of suicide bombers are foreign fighters - with the vast majority traveling to Iraq through Syria - and to Syria from their home countries by air travel to Damascus," it said.
"This Syria-based network is able to supply some 50 to 80 suicide bombers to AQI per month. Since January, there have been nearly 280 suicide events in Iraq, accounting for nearly 5,500 casualties, mostly innocent Iraqis going about their daily lives."
"As noted, Iran funds extremist groups to promote attacks against coalition and Iraqi forces, and the Iraqi government," the report said.
"We see little change in Iran's policy of seeking US defeat through direct financial and material support for attacks against US military and civilians in Iraq," it said.
Bush acknowledged his Iraq strategy had made limited progress but said he would wait for a September security report by Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and US Ambassador Ryan Crocker before considering a change of course.
"We'll also have a clearer picture of how the new strategy is unfolding, and be in a better position to judge where we need to make any adjustments," Bush said.
He said he would consider "making another decision, if need be" at that time.
In another day of violence in Iraq, a suicide bomber in the northern town of Tal Afar on Thursday killed seven guests celebrating the wedding of an Iraqi policeman.
Drafted by White House officials with leading contributions from Petraeus and Crocker, the report gave the Iraqi government a satisfactory grade on eight of 18 goals set by Congress. It showed that on eight of the benchmarks, Baghdad's performance was unsatisfactory, and mixed on two others.
Bush said however he still had "confidence" in Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and styled the report as an initial snapshot of the surge.
"I believe we can succeed in Iraq, and I know we must," Bush said.
The interim report showed limited progress by the Iraqi government in meeting goals for political reconciliation such as passing a law to share oil revenues.
"Effective steps toward national reconciliation will require national leadership from all communities and expression of a common national political will, or 'vision,' that has so far been lacking," it said. "The consensus nature of Iraqi politics, and the checks and balances built into the Iraqi governance structure, inhibit Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's ability to govern effectively - and would pose obstacles to any prime minister."
It also warned of the risk of further attacks by Al-Qaeda in coming months.
"The security situation in Iraq remains complex and extremely challenging," it said.
It also warned of "tough fighting" during the summer, as US and Iraqi forces "seek to seize the initiative from early gains and shape conditions of longer-term stabilization."
sue | 07.12.07 - 9:55 pm | #
Gravatar As Megsdad says, many of us have been trying for the longest time not to blame the troops this time around.
However it is is getting harder. Ignorance is no defense for us in civilian life so why should it be in military?
Rabbit | Homepage | 07.13.07 - 12:22 am | #
Gravatar Why is anyone shocked?
Sherman said, "War is hell" and nothing before or since has changed. My late wife's father said of his time during World War 2, "We Australians committed as many atrocities as the Japanese. It just doesn't get talked about."
My father's friend in Florida, post WW2, spoke of shooting unarmed civilians in Germany and earlier, claimed his duty was to shoot any US soldier who 'cut and ran' in combat. Myself as a kid at the time, thought it was bulldust ... now, I'm not so sure.
War is hell and human nature makes it more hellish the longer it goes on. You see your buddy get blown away, natural to want to make someone pay. Anyone. And fear that it might be you next time, take no chances, take no prisoners.
This article's truth is really why we should support the troops by bringing them home!
Novista | 07.13.07 - 12:59 am | #
Gravatar you yanks disgust me.
i could go on for ages about this but i'll leave it at that.
you yanks disgust me.
portaloo | 07.13.07 - 1:12 am | #
Gravatar Every American soldier in Iraq deserves to disappear in a red mist,...BOOM! - long live the EFP/IED's!
Zipperhead | 07.13.07 - 2:33 am | #
Gravatar A strange facet to what is going on in Iraq and what we read at this site.
No one has commented on those behind the American regime who lied, cheated and perjured themselves to get Americans to do their dirty work for them - THE JEWS, whose attitude is let the Christians, the goyim die to strengthen our zionist entity - why should we? The US military has become the striking arm of zionism. Americans get killed or maimed while the zionists watch their most dangerous enemy disintegrate.
peter john | 07.13.07 - 2:41 am | #
Gravatar "after the [Abu Ghraib] pictures came out, the biggest rule was NO MORE CAMERA's."
Those who are saying that War is Hell and this is the way it is are I think allowing the exceptional circumstances of this to slip by.
I too have heard stories from my Grandfather's generation about the War with Japan and about the European theatre from others. As a non combat veteran though one time army rabbit who had plenty of NCOs especially who were Vietnam Vets I have a fairly good idea I think of what goes on in a war.
I am also a practical person, and have hunted and slaughtered animals large and small so have a hands on eyes nose and feel type experience of the blood and guts of biological organisms being splattered, smashed and sliced all over the place. A stint in a country abattoir is an interesting learning curve of itself. I know human nature and have been witness to the inate savagery which is just below the surface of most supposedly civilised men and women, enough times and in enough places to accept it is the state of humanity.
I mention these things for I think they are all we have from a non war experience background to allow us to make any judgements.
The anecdotal evidence combined with my knowledge of human nature and the likely reactions to the sort of sensory inputs to be had in a high intensity war zone, convince me also that a degree of brutality, of cold bloodedness, and even a fair share of cruelty is to be expected, among most who will be involved. On the other hand I have been in other situations where the rules of normal society may be revoked or not even known, and then as always there are people who recognise what is right and wrong. Then as always, a majority tend to go with the easy or seemingly popular choice, but that does not exonerate them or their choice when it is the bad one. The minority, and the worse the atrocity the smaller that minority often is, deserve full recognition for that huge leap of humanity they made by going against the tide. By making excuses for the weak we deny the legacy belonging to the strong ones.
The type of attitude, where shameful acts are justified openly and in a way which will yet resonate positively with a sizeable portion of the US population, who are themselves not shy about making their views heard, is what makes this different. The fact that the abuses we see here described are NOT aberrations in the sense the same thing would have been if it was an Australian, British or Canadian soldier. This guy is confident he has a whole culture and his superiors behind his acts. The actions he describes have been condoned, however it is dressed up superiors all the way to the Pentagon to the President himself. That is what makes these stories so horrifying, SO MUCH WORSE, than shoving a few Gooks out of helicopters or machine gunning a platoon of japs in the jungle. There were no wholesale kidnappings and incarcerations behind the raids of our soldiers in past wars, they fought, often in civilian areas but around and over the head of the civilians. Civlians are for the most part the main target in this case and they are not being taken for any other erason it seems than as playthings, mere things to be tortured for fun, since everyone knows most of them are just randoms victims, but endless reports can be fed p the line justifying the existence of this cushy non dangerous job. Playthings to be herded, paraded, humiliated and screwed. Playthings to be made a few dollars off, bet on how long till one of the Hadjis falls off his stool, or see how many bucks you can make from pimping some teenage girl you have under your control. This is NOT anything like even Vietnam, which was itself a new low in human beastliness in war. This is a very gruesome satanic satanic abbatoir type of affair and it is not going to end well for the people who have brought such darkness into the cradle of our very civilisation. Like a snake eating its tail I can see us returning via these deeds unto our distant savage past.
Might as well book your cave early. Get one before the rush...I have my eye on a cave with an awesome view and a tunnel to the center of the earth, according to legend.
Rabbit | Homepage | 07.13.07 - 3:53 am | #
Gravatar Those soldiers reaction and actions are typical of soldiers in combat. What did they expect? It is Viet Nam all over again, when these guys come home let's hope that they get the help and respect for doing this country's dirty work. Remember the majority cheered and sported flags and yellow ribbons (WTF is that all about?) for this war. Now when the true face of war comes to light they are aghast? Ha, get a grip, mind your own business and impeach these rich war loving chicken hawks, take your country back. Or behave like cowards and do nothing. Sniveling american cowards able to blast children, animals, and women without remorse. Yep, proud to be an american today, sure I am!!
Fedayeen | 07.13.07 - 4:54 am | #
Gravatar The world's number one terrorists sits in the White House.
Bush, Cheney and the other neocons are war criminals.
Leaders in our world are not speaking out effectively as the 'opposition'.
Where are our leaders of conscience who would speak to Bush and the world?
Derek | 07.13.07 - 6:59 am | #
Gravatar Wars are - regardless of race or nationality - mostly the same, physically. The MENTAL overtones of this war, however, may be longer-lasting than most. Reprisals will,
certainly, take place.
Thanks to the soldiers who are honest enough to bring this to public attention. You are doing everyone a service; but I know it must be pure hell to be so scrutinized in every matter. You [soldiers] are in a place you should not be, which compounds the problem, immensely.
Our American government has been controlled by ruthless men since our own war between the states. The same
kinds of atrocities were committed against our own people, by our own people, then. As long as we go on
pretending our system of checks and
balances against tyranny has not been usurped, our might will be misdirected
not only against the world-at-large, but against ourselves.
I'm glad to hear reports of the groundswell of support growing for
Ron Paul's candidacy. Whether he lives to see the end of it is a
matter for true speculation - but the fact that a revolution is occuring is
not lost upon cowards in office.
Charlieboy | 07.13.07 - 7:39 am | #
Gravatar I really do not know what is happening to the US!!! It is unbeleivable but true ! What is abnormal they are seeing it as normal and they are proud!! Would they accept this to happen to their loved one??? the reality is NO NO NO. As long as they are safe thats what matters to them. This is how the civilised world is seeing the world. I salute them!!!! but never mind, what goes around comes around. they will never ever be forgiven.
AK | 07.13.07 - 7:58 am | #
Gravatar White folks outta CONTROL and commpleatly out of ballance with a few black and brown faces for the white devils to hide behind.
To the white race pleace kill yourselfs really please!
The Big Raven | 07.13.07 - 8:45 am | #
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